Panendeism.org For the Promotion of Reason Based Spirituality... |
| | The Reasoning God | |
| | Author | Message |
---|
Aaron Admin
Number of posts : 1919 Age : 52 Location: : Connecticut Registration date : 2007-01-24
| Subject: The Reasoning God Fri May 15, 2009 9:58 pm | |
| Many deists view god as a thinking reasoning entity. The thought came to mind that an entity that thinks and reasons would necessarily be a being.
What are your thoughts on that? | |
| | | Helium
Number of posts : 540 Age : 63 Location: : Toronto Registration date : 2007-09-14
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Fri May 15, 2009 11:42 pm | |
| Yes that's a good question. | |
| | | stretmediq
Number of posts : 238 Age : 65 Location: : Tulsa, Ok. Registration date : 2007-10-04
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Sat May 16, 2009 5:58 am | |
| To me thinking is a process the brain uses to solve problems. So in my opinion God doesn't think. It is just aware. But that awareness is perfectly reasonable and logical. | |
| | | Uriah
Number of posts : 536 Age : 50 Location: : Tucson, AZ Registration date : 2007-10-11
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Sat May 16, 2009 1:09 pm | |
| If God needs to reason then God is not all-knowing.
Human reason is not even infallible. It is based on perception, and perception is both fallible and easily manipulated. So, stating that God is a reasoning being is nothing but an anthropomorphization of a something we humans cannot possibly understand or even begin to truly comprehend.
In other words it's no different than some tribe of primitives imbuing God with the elements of nature, it is us (modern primitives) extrapolating our respective perception onto a mute potentiality - our god (this being of reason) is nothing but a reflection of our culture. | |
| | | Gnomon Moderator
Number of posts : 660 Location: : Birmingham, Alabama Registration date : 2007-09-30
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Sat May 16, 2009 7:49 pm | |
| - Quote :
- If God needs to reason then God is not all-knowing.
Precisely! Reasoning, as humans do it, is an uncertain, prolonged, sequential, heuristic process that requires extension in time from question to conclusion. An anthro-morphic deity, who reasoned as humans do, would have to exist in space/time, hence would "know" only a fraction of what is happening now, and what happened in the past. For an Eternal/Infinite Being though, all possibilities (past, future, and present) would be simultaneously and totally available for instantaneous "conclusions". Any analogy between human reasoning and divine reasoning would be tenuous at best. Hence, I conclude that G*D is not "a being", but Being per se; S/he does not live, G*D IS; S/he does not reason, G*D IS. Such an unfathomable god-concept might sound like a mechanical Mindfield, but I prefer to think of He/r as ALL. Hence, there is nothing that G*D is not. Perhaps, when humans are reasoning, G*D is reasoning. So the answer is yes/no. What was the question again? Again, I must apologize that I don't "know" what I'm talking about. | |
| | | Uriah
Number of posts : 536 Age : 50 Location: : Tucson, AZ Registration date : 2007-10-11
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Sun May 17, 2009 11:17 am | |
| - Gnomon wrote:
- Hence, I conclude that G*D is not "a being", but Being per se; S/he does not live, G*D IS; S/he does not reason, G*D IS.
Very Heideggarian. | |
| | | Aaron Admin
Number of posts : 1919 Age : 52 Location: : Connecticut Registration date : 2007-01-24
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Sun May 17, 2009 7:37 pm | |
| - Gnomon wrote:
-
- Quote :
- If God needs to reason then God is not all-knowing.
Precisely! Reasoning, as humans do it, is an uncertain, prolonged, sequential, heuristic process that requires extension in time from question to conclusion. An anthro-morphic deity, who reasoned as humans do, would have to exist in space/time, hence would "know" only a fraction of what is happening now, and what happened in the past. For an Eternal/Infinite Being though, all possibilities (past, future, and present) would be simultaneously and totally available for instantaneous "conclusions".
Any analogy between human reasoning and divine reasoning would be tenuous at best. Hence, I conclude that G*D is not "a being", but Being per se; S/he does not live, G*D IS; S/he does not reason, G*D IS. Such an unfathomable god-concept might sound like a mechanical Mindfield, but I prefer to think of He/r as ALL. Hence, there is nothing that G*D is not. Perhaps, when humans are reasoning, G*D is reasoning. So the answer is yes/no. What was the question again?
Again, I must apologize that I don't "know" what I'm talking about. Yes, I very much agree with that summation which is why I refer to god as being transrational rather than simply rational. | |
| | | Lykos Minister
Number of posts : 25 Age : 69 Location: : North Hollywood, California Registration date : 2008-10-08
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:23 pm | |
| How’s this for “interesting?”
I have faith that everything and everyone is but a manifestation of the GodForce. Therefore, I suppose, as we think, so does S/He.
And I really can’t believe that we can be “separated” from our connection; that’s just the nature of it.
“Transrational” --- I like that. It appears to come closest to what I’ve observed. | |
| | | Sponsored content
| Subject: Re: The Reasoning God | |
| |
| | | | The Reasoning God | |
|
| Permissions in this forum: | You cannot reply to topics in this forum
| |
| |
| |
|